The truth about the costs of Macs vs. costs of PCs.
Today I was reading digg and was inspired to find out the differences in price between Macs and equivalent PCs, to see if the bit of trouble I go through in using linux is really worth it.
The first thing I did was go to the apple website, and find the cheapest computer they offer. That happened to be a $600 Mac Mini. 1.66 ghz, 512 ram, a 60 gig hard drive, and OS X.
I then did the same on Dell’s website, since they are an average well-known PC manufacturer. Their cheapest computer happened to be a $359 desktop. AMD 3400+, 512 ram, and an 80 gig hard drive. They didn’t have any processors as slow as 1.66 ghz.
Since not many people actually buy these types of computers, I decided to go up in specs. So, I went to the Macbook section of the apple website. A 13-inch black Macbook costs $1499 and comes with a 2 ghz intel processor, 1GB ram, and a 120 GB hard drive.
I found an equivalent dell laptop for $959. The only difference was that the dell has a 15.4″ screen instead of a 13″ one.
I decided to do one more test. I looked at the most expensive laptop on the apple website, the $2799 17″ Macbook Pro. It has a 2.33 ghz processor, 2gb ram, and a 160 gb hard drive.
At Dell’s website, I found a 17″ Inspiron laptop with a 2.16ghz processor, 2GB ram, and a 160GB hard drive for $1,674. That laptop came with integrated intel graphics, so I decided to add on a 256MB NVIDIA GeForce Go 7900 GS video card. The new price was $1,973. 2.16ghz was the fastest processor they offered with that laptop, but I’d be happy to sacrifice .17ghz of processor speed to save $826.
I have compared the prices of three groups of equivalent Macs and PCs, and all three times the PC was significantly cheaper than the Mac. If you use linux you can also get a refund on the copy of Windows that came with your computer from dell, which would lower the price even more.
EDIT: As you can see from the comments about this post, there is a bit of disagreement with my conclusions. The basic disagreements are:
1) Black Macbooks are not a fair comparison because it’s $200 more for black and a 40GB larger HD.
2) Macs come with the iSight.
3) Macs come with much more useful software like iPhoto, iMovie HD, iDVD, Garage Band, and iWeb.
4) Comparing Macs with the Inspiron series of laptops is not fair because the Inspiron series is of lower quality and is less durable than the Latitude series, and therefore cheaper.
5) OS X is better than windows so it costs more.I will offer responses to each of these four arguments.
1) The $959 Inspiron laptop is cheaper than the $1,299 white Macbook, and still has a 120GB hard drive instead of 80GB like the white Macbook.
2) Many laptop manufacturers include cameras in their laptops. One example is IbuyPower. The red laptop costs $1295, comes with a built in camera, extra battery, 256MB NVIDIA GeForce Go 7600 PCI Express Video Card, a 15.4″ screen, 3 USB ports, a firewire port, card reader slot, etc. I guarantee that video card is better than the one you’ll find in a Macbook. Never mind the extra battery and bigger screen.
3) There are numerous free, open source applications that will do all of the same things as all of the aforementioned apple programs excluding maybe Garage Band. If you use linux there are even more and you lose the cost of Windows Vista, lowering the cost of the PC even more.
4) I hesitate to believe the claim that inspirons aren’t as durable as latitudes because if you dropped them both they would both probably break into a million pieces. However, I will still do a comparison. As you can see from this page, a Latitude equivalent with the white Macbook mentioned above still only costs $994 but comes with a 14.1″ screen and free upgrade from a 4 to 6 cell battery.
5) I do not disagree that OS X is far superior to windows in most cases. The lack of spyware, viruses, and malware generally make it much less troublesome to use. Plus, the adoption of Intel chips and programs like bootcamp allow OS X to run any windows program that one needs that is Windows-only. (autoCAD, etc). That said, if you subtracted the cost of the operating systems ($129 for OS X, and $99 for Windows Vista Home Basic) from the total prices of the computer, the cost of the mac would still be greater than that of the PC, excluding the Ibuypower example. However the Ibuypower example isn’t really a fair comparison because it comes with far superior hardware than Macs do.
Another point I would like to make in response to argument 5 is that in my post, I never endorsed windows or recommended it. In fact, at the end I recommended linux because of its low cost ($0), ease of use, security, and the freedom it gives you to choose. The only people that OS X should be “easier to use” for are people that don’t know anything about computers and are afraid to learn. Once someone gets past the basics of how a computer works, any GUI-based operating system is equally easy (or difficult) to learn/use. I don’t want to use anecdotal evidence but when I was in high school I installed ubuntu on my parents’ new computer and they use it just fine.
In conclusion I would like to assert that Mac people need to acknowledge that they are indeed paying for a name and inclusion in a supposedly elite social club. It’s the same reason that generic products in grocery stores are cheaper per ounce than name brand products. The same principle applies to clothes and pretty much any other product that exists.
March 7, 2007 at 9:08 pm
But with a mac you get loads of fantastic advantages:
Mac OS X!!
Built in Bluetooth and Airport
Built in Cam
Firewire
Firewire 800
The fantastic stylings of a mac!
And it just works!!
March 7, 2007 at 10:22 pm
You fail to compare features - sure you can say “Look this Mac costs more than this Dell”
The black MacBook is a premium - it costs $200 more than the white one for nothing more than a color change and 40GB of HDD - not a great deal I admit
But a comparable Dell is $1080 with 802.11n and Bluetooth and still lacks the iSight and all the Apple bundled software: iPhoto, iMovie HD, iDVD, Garage Band, iWeb… not to mention the best os ever OS X!
So that $200 more a Mac costs isn’t wasted, it gets you plenty of things windows users can never get
sorry!
March 7, 2007 at 11:44 pm
Also, make sure you compare the business class dell laptops to the macbook pro. There is a substantial amount of difference between the inspiron that you tested and the latitiude notebooks that dell sells. Build quality and materials are stronger in the more expensive latitudes. I don’t know if it’s “worth” the difference, but you should compare the most similar models. Finally, to reiterate previous comments, you get a far superior operating system and other software with the macs. Not to mention a lack of viruses.
March 8, 2007 at 2:06 am
Firstly, I appreciate that you’re modifying your post in response to comments!
I’d also like to note too that since OS X is Unix based, there’s lots more that you can do by simply ticking a check box - I have a webserver and mail server running on a mac at home which was as simple as checking a box - granted you *can* do this on Windows, but as a professional system administrator, I’d rather do it on Unix for many reasons!
After using Macs for a while you really appreciate how everything is predictable, the same keyboard shortcuts do the same thing in every application… Really it’s not the name I’m paying for, it’s the engineering of the most cutting edge os - besides if it weren’t for Apple, Vista never would have gotten here!
March 14, 2007 at 10:33 pm
For those Mac defenders, I’d like to chip in here on behalf of Alex. What he did is just a simple HARDWARE COST comparison not a OS compare.
Besides, buying a PC dose not mean that it can only run M$ OS. With a PC I can have linux installed with Mac OS X theme or I can run BSD(I think this is what OS X based) or Sun solaris or turn PC into a Hacitash(a PC runner Mac OS X).
I agree that Apple did a good job engineered those fancy and slick MACs and OS X but I’d rather save money than pay Apple tax.
After all, it’s just a personal preference.
April 6, 2007 at 12:37 pm
I realize this is an older topic, but I just found it through a link on digg. My wife owns a white Macbook which was purchased to replace a Dell XPS M1210. It is a 12″ laptop made by Dell that I believe is the only model that can fairly be compared to the Macbook. The Dell feels really cheap and is very thick. The battery moves when you touch it, the screen is of very poor quality (which I know has become common of all notebook LCD manufacturers), and the keyboard flexed when you pressed on it (which I read has been fixed).
The Macbook has a 1 inch larger screen but due to the way the screen is positioned when opened they are pretty much the same height. It is a tiny bit wider then the Dell, but much thinner.
The specs of each are identical. You can configure the Dell with a built-in camera and Bluetooth, the difference is in the cost. The white Macbook I’m using as a basis of comparison costs $1,299. The Dell XPS M1210 with identical specs costs $1,493.
For $130 you can add a dedicated video card to the Dell, which you cannot do to the Macbook. It is still a low-end video card. I am not much of a gamer, but this might be important to somebody that is. I did run 3dmark on it and tested a few games and even though it may be a dedicated video card, modern titles will not be playable unless you crank down the settings. Even still it is honestly not much of an upgrade over an integrated solution. Yes it can play games the Macbook cannot, but not at a level that I would consider to be playable (1024×768 at 30fps AT LEAST!) It also generated a lot of heat (but so did the early Macbooks).
The base price without spec-matching is $1,299. For the same cost, you get a weaker machine (weaker processor and no camera). You can’t usually use discounts on the XPS line either, where you can get an Apple education or other discount with the Macbook.
Having used both, the Macbook wins hands down and will save you a couple hundred bucks. This is fact. The only reason I can see somebody wanting the Dell is for the dedicated video card, but even then it is not a great card. This usually gets a response like “dood, I overclocked and get 76 fps on counter strike HDR maps at 1280×800”. Whatever.
(btw – the dedicated card that costs $130 more is an Nvidia 7400 go turbo cache with only 64 megs of dedicated RAM, the rest is borrowed from the system which makes it quasi-integrated. It is NOT a good card and only a marginal improvement over the Macbook’s GMA 950)
April 6, 2007 at 12:56 pm
You don’t seem to know enough about computers to make these comparisons.
1) The Athlon 3400 you mention is a single core that has a much different clock speed, but clock speed is not a measure of performance. The exact same processor with the same memory hierarchy would be faster with a higher clock speed but different architectures (yes they share the base x86 CISC 16 and 32 bit extensions, but there are optimized instructions that cater to each processors) are not necessarily faster (read any recent benchmark on Tom’s Hardware).
2) There is also a quality, fit and finish, resolution and overall benchmarking issue that you are neglecting. And the models you choose are missing more than just a “camera” when it comes to comparison: differences in chip sets (north bridge, south bridge, I/O controller) on the motherboard, brand and speed of the drives, BATTERY LIFE.
When I actually add items (proc, memory, hd, screen options) to make it comparable to a the MacBook, the prices are close ($100) and you still miss iSight, Bluetooth, 802.1x, etc.
You obviously don’t know enough about the details to be writing this.
April 6, 2007 at 1:04 pm
You seem to know jack all about processors and the details of hardware, making such flippant statements as comparing a Sempron to a Core 2 Duo… are you really that stupid?
A single core, 32-bit processor versus a dual core 64-bit premium processor and the single core (entry level, no L2 cache Sempron) wins… uh, ok holmes.
You know superSPARC 1 running at 40 Mhz stomped the bejesus out of a Pentium at 100MHz… like clock speed doesn’t mean everything.
June 13, 2007 at 10:16 am
A very good comparison. I’m a Linux user myself and I’ve been saying Macs are overpriced. I know a lot of Apple people are going to be quick to flood your email about this, but facts are facts.
June 20, 2007 at 6:34 pm
This is ridiculous. My friend bought a Dell last year and it cost him $2900 (and got ripped off, IMO). I configured a Mac just for the heck of it and it cost $2200 at the same time. That leaves money to buy Parallels and Vista and you have two computers for the price of one *and* it had the camera, the magnetic power adaptor and other features and software not included in the Dell. Further, his computer was just stolen, so I was looking again. The Mac is basically identical in price, adjusted for any hardware differences (but excluding Mac specific extras. Mac hardware is generally mid-level to high-end so you can’t compare low-end hardware computers to them.
IOW, IMO, anyone who buys a PC rather than a dual operating system Mac is a bit dense.
June 24, 2007 at 12:11 am
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June 26, 2007 at 2:17 pm
Quite simply, this article is out of date. The price fluctuations recently have created an equilibrium between the two manufacturers. Look at a midrange white Macbook and a Dell. TO equate the size, choose a new XPS M1330. The price is IDENTICAL, and the Apple has a much master processor (2.16 C2D/4MB vs. 1.5 C2D/2MB).
Buy an Apple, get better specs and Mac OS X. Done.
August 22, 2007 at 1:52 pm
Alex basically shutdown all of your comments. I love Macs and planning on getting a new one soon bu they are over priced. Seriously stop denying the facts.
September 14, 2007 at 6:55 pm
just lettin u know half of apples software is made by microsoft so its not better than windows, the same if anything.
February 23, 2008 at 1:34 pm
I have a Mac and I agree with Alex. People need to stop thinking that they are part of some elite club and that having a Mac makes you better or smarter than PC user. I love my Mac but I also know that it is a bit pricey. I also don’t harass my friends who use Windows because everybody has a preference to what they know and like. I have a Dell Inspiron that runs Ubuntu and only Ubuntu. My choice for getting a Dell notebook was based largely on the higher price of a Macbook. For the same price as the base Macbook I doubled my specs getting a PC. To be honest, I really like Linux. I now use AWN as my dock if people like that feature of OS X. I also set up the global menu which is nice too. Linux will only get better in time.